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    ne‏ @neverett Mar 26

    so i was laid off from @npmjs last friday, one month before my vesting cliff. if you're not familiar with how options generally work at startups, this means i will not be able to exercise the stock options i was granted as part of my hiring package

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      2. ne‏ @neverett Mar 26

        stock options are not that important to me. i've been granted options before, at other companies, but through a combination of not having enough money to exercise and being skeptical about the potential returns, i've never exercised options in my ~12 years working in tech

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      3. ne‏ @neverett Mar 26

        (a previous company bought out my options once, in a situation too convoluted to recount.)

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      2. Mary Ln Mansion‏ @moonpolysoft Mar 26
        Replying to @neverett @kf

        fwiw I've known people who've lawyered up over this sort of thing and you stand a good chance of recovering your equity if you want to stick it to em

        1 reply 0 retweets 100 likes
      3.  ✨ rachel  ✨‏ @ohhoe Mar 26
        Replying to @moonpolysoft @neverett @kf

        Really??? I wish someone would have told me this at my first big tech job 😭

        1 reply 0 retweets 37 likes
      4. Mary Ln Mansion‏ @moonpolysoft Mar 26
        Replying to @ohhoe @neverett @kf

        yup, in practice "at-will" employment has a lot of caveats if you're willing to fight, and unless the employer has rock solid documentation that you suck, theres a good chance you can extract a settlement. that figure goes up if you are of a protected class.

        1 reply 4 retweets 73 likes
      5. Mary Ln Mansion‏ @moonpolysoft Mar 26
        Replying to @moonpolysoft @ohhoe and

        most employers carry employment practices insurance. as soon as you lawyer up and send them a demand letter they are required to send it to the insurance carrier.

        1 reply 1 retweet 45 likes
      6. Mary Ln Mansion‏ @moonpolysoft Mar 26
        Replying to @moonpolysoft @ohhoe and

        the carrier has their own lawyers who will argue on the employer's behalf, but they absolutely do not give a shit if total settlement cost is less than or equal to the deductible, which is 50k last time I was an employer.

        2 replies 3 retweets 58 likes
      7.  ✨ rachel  ✨‏ @ohhoe Mar 26
        Replying to @moonpolysoft @neverett @kf

        😭😭😭😭 this should be common knowledge it’s fucked me twice in the past 8 years

        1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
      8. Mary Ln Mansion‏ @moonpolysoft Mar 26
        Replying to @ohhoe @neverett @kf

        yup. this is why you are pressured to sign a severance agreement on the way out of the door. it is pretty much never in your interests to sign it before at least talking to a lawyer

        1 reply 4 retweets 13 likes
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      2. matt.js‏ @mattisadev Mar 27
        Replying to @neverett @npmjs

        Wait, if @npmjs is laying people off, why do I see them spamming that they're hiring?

        1 reply 0 retweets 31 likes
      3. foldl like you mean it‏ @muditameta Mar 27
        Replying to @mattisadev @neverett @npmjs

        The answer is in your question

        1 reply 0 retweets 33 likes
      4. matt.js‏ @mattisadev Mar 27
        Replying to @muditameta @neverett @npmjs

        That’s not an answer.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Richard W‏ @richardofldn Mar 27
        Replying to @mattisadev @muditameta and

        So they can pay new people less / don't have to pay out stock options.

        0 replies 0 retweets 50 likes
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      2. Florian Laws‏ @florianlaws Mar 27
        Replying to @neverett @andreasdotorg @npmjs

        Huh. I thought it was standard that in the event of involuntary termination, stock options would immediately vest.

        4 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
      3. Mark Bessey‏ @mbessey Mar 27
        Replying to @florianlaws @neverett @andreasdotorg

        Definitely not standard. I’ve had that at I think one of the five companies I’ve had stock options with.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      4. Karen Chu‏ @karenhchu Mar 27
        Replying to @mbessey @florianlaws and

        not sure if it is. it wasn't for me. the company also refused to acknowledge the day i got my last paycheck (i did additional work to wrap things up) as the date i had 60 days to exercise from. they weren't answering emails & i ended up missing the exercise date they went with

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      1. Carter T Schonwald‏ @cartazio Mar 28
        Replying to @neverett @chrisbiscardi @npmjs

        Pro tip: always negotiate acceleration of vesting being triggered by being fired.

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      2. afrofuturism‏ @afro_futurism Mar 27
        Replying to @neverett @TaelurAlexis @npmjs

        Sorry to hear this😞. You could try to take legal action, but depending on your state it may go nowhere and end up costing you a lot of money. It still may be worth it to have a lawyer draft up a letter for wrongful termination and see if they bite.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. afrofuturism‏ @afro_futurism Mar 27
        Replying to @afro_futurism @neverett and

        Startups are basically making indentured servants of great talent by offering vesting options. Its part of a great compensation package that gives you a lower salary with a promise of great reward. Your situation isn’t uncommon.

        0 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
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