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Tom MacWright
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    Tom MacWright‏ @tmcw May 10
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    okay i mulled over this idea in my head for a month and then just sat down and wrote this in one pass without switching tabs so here it is, raw and extra spicy: "Second guessing the modern web"https://macwright.org/2020/05/10/spa-fatigue.html …

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      2. Tom MacWright‏ @tmcw May 10
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        a few pull-out points. the trend of using react for static-like sites is bizarre. these sites are doing bleeding-edge optimization but the asymptote that they'll never reach is… a static sitepic.twitter.com/uO0MQdsIkJ

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      3. Tom MacWright‏ @tmcw May 10
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        the optimizations of SPAs are leaky and bizarre once you really grapple with them. for example: bundle-splitting plus long user sessions is only solvable in one of two pretty bad wayspic.twitter.com/llPmRTU774

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      4. Tom MacWright‏ @tmcw May 10
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        static sites are too simple to be appropriate for react, but there are also plenty of things that are too complex or performance-critical for react. it thrives in the middle.pic.twitter.com/w49Np8l6lT

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      5. Tom MacWright‏ @tmcw May 10
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        😬 okay good to get this out of the brain and onto the page, time to go on a walk!

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      2. Devon Govett‏ @devongovett May 10
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        Replying to @tmcw

        Devon Govett Retweeted Devon Govett

        Great article! I agree. React is great for highly interactive applications, but not for content sites.https://twitter.com/devongovett/status/1222953655722110981?s=20 …

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        Devon Govett @devongovett
        Unpopular opinion: React is the wrong tool for building content websites (blogs, marketing sites, documentation, etc.) today. SSR is not good enough. You end up downloading the content twice: once in the HTML, and again in the JS for hydration. How did this become so common? 😱
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      3. Devon Govett‏ @devongovett May 10
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        Replying to @devongovett @tmcw

        Personally, I've been enjoying React as a templating language at build time for static sites, but with no client side hydration. It's kinda the best of both worlds: you get React's component model, but with fast and simple HTML and CSS output.

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      2. Srirang G Doddihal‏ @sribrahmana 19h19 hours ago
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        Replying to @tmcw

        Well written and a lot of it resonates. A question : What would qualify as a "heavily interactive application" ? How can we quantify this? You categorise shopping-cart-websites as not in this category? Would you apply that to a full e-commerce site with a fairly big catalogue?pic.twitter.com/Ch4alDm1c5

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      3. Tom MacWright‏ @tmcw 7h7 hours ago
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        Replying to @sribrahmana

        shopping cart websites are very stateful but almost none of that state can be meaningfully manipulated on the client side. other than optimistically showing a (1) next to your cart when you add an item, everything else requires a server round-trip.

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      2. Jamie Kyle‏ @buildsghost May 10
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        One thing you encounter a lot is people wanting to learn how to build those semi-interactive apps while still building static sites You see it a lot with people’s personal blogs, but you also see it in marketing engineers who want to make the transition to product

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      3. Jamie Kyle‏ @buildsghost May 10
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        I built my personal website with just static HTML to prove some point I wanted to make about not needing all that complexity. But I then heard from many people that just wanted to learn React/etc but didn’t have another outlet for it

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