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scientist, storyteller, philosopher

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computingthehumanexperience.com
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    1. Francis Jervis‏ @f_j_j_ 4h4 hours ago
      Replying to @Grady_Booch @hmason

      The question of whether it "grasps or understands" anything is irrelevant when you're dealing with a transfer learning model.https://medium.com/analytics-vidhya/openai-gpt-3-language-models-are-few-shot-learners-82531b3d3122 …

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    2. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 4h4 hours ago
      Replying to @f_j_j_ @hmason

      And yet, you are the one, in your OP, who celebrated GPT “grasping” an understanding of the law. That is precisely what I am pushing back against: it still grasps nothing. You can’t have it both ways.

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    3. Francis Jervis‏ @f_j_j_ 4h4 hours ago
      Replying to @Grady_Booch @hmason

      Fair, that was sloppy use of language on my part. What the takeaway should be is that even for people who "know" it doesn't have a cognitive dimension, the temptation to anthropomorphize/subjectivize is really really strong ;)

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    4. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 4h4 hours ago
      Replying to @f_j_j_ @hmason

      Yes! You and I are in intense agreement on this.

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    5. Francis Jervis‏ @f_j_j_ 4h4 hours ago
      Replying to @Grady_Booch @hmason

      Good take on this:https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/026327697014004001 …

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    6. Francis Jervis‏ @f_j_j_ 4h4 hours ago
      Replying to @f_j_j_ @Grady_Booch @hmason

      In more technical terms: the practical difference between "grasping" a concept and generating natural language on it (and reasoning w other concepts/rules etc.) and *really accurately* predicting what a truly reasoning agent would say, is very small indeed.

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    7. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 4h4 hours ago
      Replying to @f_j_j_ @hmason

      I agree. And GPT-3 IMHO has a long way to go to achieve that.

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    8. Francis Jervis‏ @f_j_j_ 4h4 hours ago
      Replying to @Grady_Booch @hmason

      Depends on the domain.

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    9. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 4h4 hours ago
      Replying to @f_j_j_ @hmason

      On what narrow domain would you say that GPT-3 is even close, or has mastered?

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    10. Francis Jervis‏ @f_j_j_ 4h4 hours ago
      Replying to @Grady_Booch @hmason

      Oh it *is* close in basic law. What you have to remember is, there's an enormous gap between rephrasing snippets and assembling an actual filing, brief, etc. It isn't close to doing an end-to-end job. But as a time-saving drafting aid for attorneys? Feedback is + from them.

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      Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 3h3 hours ago
      Replying to @f_j_j_ @hmason

      This is precisely a use case for which I would vigorously oppose the use of models such as this. GTP-3 may give the illusion of legal intelligence but a) only a trained lawyer could discriminate truth vs BS and b) there is no explainability.

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        2. Francis Jervis‏ @f_j_j_ 3h3 hours ago
          Replying to @Grady_Booch @hmason

          That's why I see the use case, at least initially, as a "robot associate" not a public-facing service. There are also a lot of developments in deep learning for assessing legal arguments etc. The results from an adversarial scoring-generation-refinement process would be better.

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        3. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 3h3 hours ago
          Replying to @f_j_j_ @hmason

          Even then, IMHO relegating issues of material human consequence with no degree of transparency or explainability is dangerous. This is precisely what @safiyanoble wrote in Algorithms of Oppression.

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