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Gender Trouble

Feminism and the Subversion of Identity

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Gender Trouble

By: Judith Butler
Narrated by: Emily Beresford
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One of the most talked-about scholarly works of the past 50 years, Judith Butler's Gender Trouble is as celebrated as it is controversial. Arguing that traditional feminism is wrong to look to a natural, "essential" notion of the female, or indeed of sex or gender, Butler starts by questioning the category "woman" and continues in this vein with examinations of "the masculine" and "the feminine."

Best known however, but also most often misinterpreted, is Butler's concept of gender as a reiterated social performance rather than the expression of a prior reality. Thrilling and provocative, few other academic works have roused passions to the same extent.

©2006 Routledge (P)2018 Tantor
Gender Studies Human Sexuality Psychology Psychology & Mental Health Social Sciences

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Given the illegible text the reader was heroic. Lots of interesting ideas elucidated. the epistemology hinges on ' if Simone DB is correct in saying x, then y and z is true.' Sadly lots of empirical evidence to show that gender is made up of both socially constructed and biological factors, but that's just the constructionalist in me ;-)

amazing performance

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I was very excited to listen to this seminal text by Butler, an erudite writer whom I follow with a passion. However, no matter how much I try I cannot get on with the performance of this text - the reading is frequently monotone and lacks appropriate intonation for an English reader, it makes this an incredibly difficult audio book to engage with.

An absolute classic let down in its performance

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I enjoyed the couple of chapters I could make out, but the vast majority is written as if to dissuade its own comprehension. If you can sit through reading written books then it’d probably make more sense like that when you are able to go back over things more easily.

Overall you’d be better to learn about Butler’s ideas from a secondary source as their writing is practically unintelligible most of the time.

Interesting but bloody confusing

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Enlightening. Everyone should read, listen to this book at least twice. It has completely changed the way I see the world.

Very thorough

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The authors deliberately obtuse style is unsuited to an audio book, if you want this title i suggest getting a standard book, which would allow you to reread sections more efficiently.
Parsing out the authors point is a futile endeavour, little of substance is actually covered. Like many bitter uncreative intellectuals the authors intelligence comes with little wisdom, unable to justify her beliefs with rational thought she just basically calls logic and language inherently biased.
This book was recommended to me by pro Transgender feminists as a starting point to understand their arguments. Having listened to the entire book, I now firmly believe the suggestion was in bad faith. No one would recommend this book to anyone other than a specialist in the theory, i can only conclude their intention was that i would give up on this title after the first chapter, then i could be discredited as not having an open mind.
The manner in which I was recommended the title, along with how the author talks about some theories, leads me to believe the book itself may be a bad faith argument. The book repeatedly refers to significant social taboos and psychological theories in such an confusing prose, it would be a miracle if many readers failed to take a discussion for advocacy, and upon publically accusing the author of supporting obscenities, the accusor could be discredit. When you have no rational thoughts supporting your arguments, tricking a proponent into misrepresenting your position is a clever if cynical tactic.

I suffered through it so you dont have to.

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I didn’t overly enjoy this book at all. I find it extremely heavy and really difficult to understand in parts.

Heavy

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You need to have engaged with academic theories of sexuality and gender to understand this text. Though I have done this, I still struggled to follow this text and felt it was unnecessarily difficult to follow. I found the narration jarring and too fast.

Difficult to follow

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To be fair to this book, it deals with some complex ideas and difficult concepts so it might be that it was just beyond me. It's also possible that I was unfairly expecting it to be something else.

However, I don't think I could actually tell you what most of the points Butler makes in this book are (let alone how she supports them). The writing is dense and unyielding and (in my opinion) relies on unnecessarily complex constructions.

The book itself is also mainly a textual survey of how other writers ideas can be viewed. Although there is an attempt at synthesis there's no real sense of cultural, social or historical context.

Some ideas were interesting but it was frustrating not to be able to fully follow her arguments and (because of the book's age) aren't as ground-breaking as they might have been when published.

I didn't get a lot out of this but if you're interested in gender there's not a lot to choose from on Amazon.

Incomprehensible

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Totally impenetrable to the lay reader. If you're an academic already familiar with the topics you might get something out of it.

It wasn't even useful as a sleep aid bc the narrator gallops along in a monotone.

impenetrable to the lay reader

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Well that was.. an experience! I don't know if it was a particularly good experience though?!

The narrator deserves an award - somehow turning this labour intensive work of linguistic gymnastics into something both comprehensible and engaging. Well, to an extent. The author's intent still often eluded me!

To listen to this book you're going to have to slow it right down. My general comfortable listening speed is between x1.7 and x2 but I needed to slow it all the way down to x1.4 in order to process the meaning of individual words and their greater meaning within the sentence, and within the current topic. And even still, you need to be giving it your full focus. God forbid you have an errant thought about what to make for dinner. You will completely lose the thread of what is being discussed.
The language isn't just esoteric, it's often unintelligible and excessively convoluted.
I do get that it can be preferable to sometimes use more complicated language in order to most effectively and efficiently express a concept.
But this is just ridiculous. It's almost as if it's a satirical piece on the pretentiousness of academics.

Some of the ideas are definitely interesting, even if I don't necessarily agree with them all.

Much of the time it presupposes that you are well versed on various other texts. The only ones I have read were, well Freud obviously, and Simone De Beauvoir. The rest I hadn't even heard of. Butler would bring up something from some text or other and then go full counter argument on it, but when I am not familiar with the context, I cannot really judge if the argument is fair or even really what is trying to be expressed.

Half of me thinks I should get the physical book at some point and see if it is more accessible. But the other half never wants to deal with such unnecessarily convoluted sentences ever again.

Give that narrator an award!

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