In Other SCOTUS First Amendment News, It Also Just Heard Oral Argument Over Yet Another Texas Law Censoring The Internet
from the last-century-i-mean-last-week-news dept
I’m not crazy about writing about a Supreme Court oral argument if the Court is just going to make a fool out of me by doing something they know is wrong and completely divorced from the argument they heard, which laid before them everything they needed to reach a decision that adhered to constitutional precedent.
And yet here I am writing again about another oral argument, this time in the case of Free Speech Coalition v. Paxton, which the Court heard last week. This case addresses the law that Texas passed requiring the age-gating of certain Internet sites, even though previous Supreme Court precedent said that such efforts were unconstitutional. This law challenges at least two previously established tenets: that adult expression is ordinarily protected, except under limited circumstances, and that age-gating the Internet is not. And this challenge implicated yet one more: that the law was subject to strict scrutiny. But all these things went out the window when the Fifth Circuit got its hands on it, and, using rational basis scrutiny instead, decided that the law was just fine, thereby tossing the injunction the district court had put on the law. As a result, this unconstitutional law has now already been in effect causing constitutional harm.
Eventually, though, the challenge made its way to the Supreme Court, and what is pending before it is yet another choice for whether it would rather stick with clear precedent or take yet another huge bite out of the First Amendment’s previously clear protections because, like with TikTok, there is something about the subject matter that the government chose to regulate that it doesn’t like either. With TikTok it was because it believed the Chinese were doing something sinister with our data (which, even if true, does not mean we should trash the First Amendment and its protections for expression). Whereas with this case because it involves icky adult expression, the scary Internet, and children who need to be thought of—even though the Court has already considered cases involving such things and decided the Constitution still applies. What oral argument revealed is that a lot of the Court wants to change its mind and plunge us all into a world where the First Amendment now protects much less than it used to.
But such a rollback was not supposed to be on the table right now. As Justice Sotomayor reminded, as the argument seemed to be going off the rails having to defend the very notion that precedent meant the First Amendment applied here, the only question before the Court was whether the Fifth Circuit erred in applying only rational basis scrutiny to stay the district court’s injunction.
Unfortunately, what should have been an easy, “yes,” did not seem to be so easy for at least a number of justices to accept. The Court asked FSC, who was challenging the law on behalf of a group of affected sites, what would happen if it decided the Fifth Circuit had erred. Its decision staying the injunction would be vacated, came the answer. The injunction would come back into effect, and the Fifth Circuit would take another crack at reviewing the matter while applying the correct strict scrutiny standard—which of course probably means we’ll all be back here when the Fifth Circuit inevitably gets it wrong again, but nevertheless vacating the earlier Fifth Circuit decision would still be the right way to proceed and at least then maybe it would at least be willing to leave the injunction in place while SCOTUS reviews it.
But some justices, like Justice Kavanaugh, kept wanting to return to the merits now to decide whether the law was constitutional, because vacating would restore the preliminary injunction, and preliminary injunctions are supposed to be (at least partially) predicated on the likelihood of success on the merits. So surely we need to consider the merits now too to address that likelihood, wondered Kavanaugh out loud. No, argued FSC, pointing out that the district court had found a likelihood of success, and that was just on a preliminary record. If more is needed to sustain a permanent injunction later, then that’s what the rest of the litigation is for. The point of a preliminary injunction is just to press pause on everything, so that if the challenged act is unconstitutional, no harm will accrue while we sort everything out, and it can inherently only be based on a best guess given what is known at that stage of the litigation. We continue to litigate before an injunction becomes permanent to make sure we’re right, but at that point the decision whether to make the injunction permanent will be based on a fuller record and much more briefing.
What Kavanaugh and others seemed to be doing, again (because it happened in TikTok by not issuing an injunction to give it time to hear the case properly), was trying to short circuit the normal path a constitutional challenge takes. And as we learned with TikTok we take these shortcuts at our peril. We can only hope that there are at least five votes not to make the same mistake again here. These issues underlying the case here are too important for the Supreme Court to summarily dispense with at such a premature stage of the challenge that this moment is.
Filed Under: 1st amendment, 5th circuit, age verification, free speech, injunctions, rational basis, strict scrutiny, texas
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That’s right, Cathy. We’re going to make the Internet safe for under-parented children if we have to drag you kicking and screaming onto the side of goodness and safeguarding!
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to be clear this doesnt apply to all social media, along with a few dozen other exceptions, so its allowed. just not in a specificly vague situation
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How much speech do you think the government should prevent both children and adults from accessing to keep the Internet safe for children?
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I’ll take Things A Pedophile Would Say for a thousand Alex.
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shut up hyman
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To be clear, what our resident Nazi actually means by this is “we’re going to make the internet hostile to anyone who’s not straight, cis, and white.”
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But you’re not going to do it by requiring better parenting. Heaven forbid…
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it’s hyman spewing bullshit again
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Fuck off troll
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under-parented children
Better keep that little secret under your hat. It’d be a tragedy to have to start calling CPS on you parents who identify as incapable of being a full parent.
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Free Range Parents D[o] Nothing Wrong (FRPDNW)!
Can’t believe we didn’t get stuck on section 230
Surprised that the judges didnt lead the conversation to talking about section 230, weve seen that happen too many times
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They did this with tiktok too.
This has always struck me as bat shit. Does SCOTUS also believe that it should be illegal for Americans to send letter mail describing what ever intimate/personal experiences or what ever they have in life… to well… any organization in China?
It’s not like Americans are being forced (legally, or otherwise at gunpoint) to use the app.
PS: I definitely don’t endorse the data-hoarding behaviors of many apps and websites. But ultimately I just can square “let’s take away their rights to consent to giving personal information” as a correct, consistent with the values presented in the US constituent, response. In my humble opinion this does make any privacy regulation a tricky thing to get right. But theirs no reason to throw out core values just because a minor (Tiktok, and most web apps/sites/services are not “life critical” services) issue.
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China IS a geopolitical rival, and app data security IS shit, but the TikTok ban was driven first and foremost second-wave red scare BS.
Just like book and bathroom bans are fueled by second-wave lavender scare BS, driven by wannabe theocratic authoritarians.
Fear is the authoritarian’s sword and shield.
They can only do what they want to do if they can frighten people into thinking its better to support them, or, at least, not resist them.
MAGA’s straight up said their intended tactic for early in this administration is ‘shock and awe.’
Instead, keep your wits about you.
This includes unplugging when you need. Rest is a crucial part of preparation– for anything.
Good, great. So SCOTUS is just gonna give AV laws like these and censorship laws like KOSA free reign to walk all over adults’ right to privacy and freedom of speech.
Sick of this shit, everyone is. If only SCOTUS’ rulings weren’t the end-all be-all unchallangable rulings.
The president doesn’t control the US, SCOTUS does.
If it keeps going this way there’s gonna be next to no way to have adult material online anymo-Well, I suppose in the case of Texas’ version of such a bill there still might be, but puritans are only gonna be satisfied when absolutely zero remains.
God I hope they lose hard in the midterms.
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stop with the doomposting
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Can you not?
I don’t think Techdirt deputized you to go around policing this, let alone tarring everyone as being the same as the one or two legitimate doomposters.
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“Can you not?
I don’t think Techdirt deputized you to go around policing this, let alone tarring everyone as being the same as the one or two legitimate doomposters.” if you knew the definition of doomposters you won’t be saying this and yes doomposters are users who post extremely pessimistic comments to the point of a dooms day
Re: Re: Re:2 Tomato, tomahto
I didn’t read that as a doomsday post. Maybe that’s a me thing, or maybe that’s a you thing.
Either way, you really shouldn’t go calling any and all remotely negative or pessimistic posts doomposting because:
1) Then the term loses all meaning, becoming only “what I don’t want to hear.”
2) Politics were already in a bad place, and have taken a turn for the worse; that’s just reality.
3) It’s getting just as fucking annoying as someone actually having an out-of-control negativity spiral.
…Look, this isn’t hard. It’s like trolls. If you don’t want to read it or actually engage in any way, just scroll past.
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Which makes the doompost accuser the same as Elon Musk.
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If someone wants to think the worst, it’s not your job to dictate they can’t. If the past year has taught us anything, expecting the worst makes more sense than expecting the best.
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“If someone wants to think the worst, it’s not your job to dictate they can’t. If the past year has taught us anything, expecting the worst makes more sense than expecting the best.” never expect better or worse stop defending pessimistic people who easily panic cause a rando told them too
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Do you think the person who posted this very article is just a “rando”?
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the dude i was calling a doomposter listened to some rando redditor on reddit
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You’re not answering the question.
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and am telling you he’s not taking the info from the arthor but some rando redditor
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Where’s your evidence. It’s not just one individual who uses the AC tag, you know. Stop being a troll.
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“Where’s your evidence. It’s not just one individual who uses the AC tag, you know. Stop being a troll.” basically you’re saying “am too lazy to search on tech dirt”
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Said the hypocritical AC doompost accuser troll.
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Actually, the difference is that Tiktok had a deadline (Jan 19), hence the rush.
This doesn’t, meaning the judges can wait till June or July, so there’s a likelihood they may change, for better or worse.
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Worse, I see as likely personally.
Unless, of course, AV laws prove complete failures at accomplishing their intended task, which also seems likely.
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“Worse, I see as likely personally.” keep dooming bro
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There are several flavors of decaff that still have full flavor, bro.
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They could have stayed the deadline to review the law’s constitutionality further. The only reason they had to justify hearing it on a rushed schedule was a change of administrations, since it was the Biden administration that held oversight over its implementation under the deadline. Had Biden not been forced out of the presidential race and won reelection, the Supreme Court could have justified staying implementation to hear it on a normal timeline.
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It’s very unlikely they the court will give them free reign.
I want to point out the SC seem very skeptical of Texas defense.
https://bsky.app/profile/jmiers230.bsky.social/post/3lfs7duvpo22q
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Skeptical, yes.
Remains to be seen if they remain skeptical, and skeptical enough.
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We don’t know really. From perusing BlueSky about the case, the media and legal experts reviewing the oral arguments aren’t in agreement where the Supreme Court is leaning on the Texas age verification law’s constitutionality.
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We saw how it went with tiktok.
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“We saw how it went with tiktok.” please shut up ac
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That wooshing sound was irony.
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Scotusblog said they were divided.
http://www.scotusblog.com/?p=318568
“What Kavanaugh and others seemed to be doing, again (because it happened in TikTok by not issuing an injunction to give it time to hear the case properly), was trying to short circuit the normal path a constitutional challenge takes.”
In what sense here, though? The TikTok case was a clear case of short-circuiting a constitutional challenge since it took nearly one month between accepting the case and validating the law on intermediate scrutiny without properly addressing some of the core issues.
The Supreme Court decided to hear this case in July, so the outcome here won’t be a matter of judicial rushing, but whether the “protect the children” moral panic behind age verification laws is validated by five or more of the judges, over reaffirming First Amendment protections established in two prior rulings. If they rule wrong for the second consecutive 1A case, we shouldn’t trust that the court will uphold other rights, especially the ones which Trump and his lackeys decide to go after. Worse, it’ll give MAGA lawmakers reason to ban porn as Project 2025 sets out to do.
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They did sound like they considered overly burdensome age-gating like this close enough to achieving their goals for the time being.
We should’ve had a SCOTUS reform while there was a chance.
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I want to point out the SC seem very skeptical of Texas defense.
https://bsky.app/profile/jmiers230.bsky.social/post/3lfs7duvpo22q
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That is true.
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“…But you can’t tell how a case will be decided based on comments at oral argument, Walters said.
There are several ways the decision can come down. The Supreme Court could find Texas’s age-verification law unconstitutional and unsuitable to strict scrutiny. Walters explained that the highest court would then send it down to the Fifth Circuit and say they made the wrong decision.
Another outcome is that the Supreme Court sends the decision back down to the Fifth U.S. Circuit, saying they used the wrong standard of rational basis when they should use strict scrutiny.
Yet another possibility is that the Supreme Court decides that rational basis is the current standard, and the law doesn’t need to hold up to strict scrutiny. In that case, Texas’s age-verification law would stand.”
https://mashable.com/article/free-speech-coalition-v-paxton-age-verification-hearing
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“They did sound like they considered overly burdensome age-gating like this close enough to achieving their goals for the time being.
We should’ve had a SCOTUS reform while there was a chance.” shut up ac
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Right back at you.
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ok bro keep being a miserable piece of shit you are ac
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Question: If anyone who uses the AC tag is a miserable piece of shit, then what does that make you? Enquiring minds want to know.
Someone here is going to say “stop being a doomer” but tell me what part of Cathy’s alarm on this matter is supposed to inspire optimism? Not one word there gave me the idea that I’ll be able to visit a porn site in america in the near future without roadblocks or even use youtube without doxxing myself.
We know the conservatives want to criminalize adult media no matter who wants to see it (trump and their side being the only exception to laws) and now the supreme court is in the position to make their project 2025 goals so very easy.
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“Someone here is going to say “stop being a doomer” but tell me what part of Cathy’s alarm on this matter is supposed to inspire optimism? Not one word there gave me the idea that I’ll be able to visit a porn site in america in the near future without roadblocks or even use youtube without doxxing myself.
We know the conservatives want to criminalize adult media no matter who wants to see it (trump and their side being the only exception to laws) and now the supreme court is in the position to make their project 2025 goals so very easy.” shut up pessimistic miserable piece of shit
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So your only goal here is to tell me and others to shut up if we’re not all sunshine and rainbows even in the face of disaster?
Unfortunately for you child the 1st amendment exists and I intend on embracing it no matter who takes a hatchet to it. I’m gonna call a spade a spade. If you want to lead me away from being negative do something like what the anon who posted the bluesky link did, BE CIVIL.
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Thank you.
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You can either put aside your negative energy before you comment or leave the site to avoid sharing it, but only you can choose which option to take. You are responsible for the energy you bring here. Neither I nor anyone else forced you to bring negativity here; neither I nor anyone else can lead you away from it.
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And it’s always good to look before you post, like the bluesky post I posted for example.
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TBH, Stephen’s been doing this “stop doomposting” schtick in response to posts with the merest hint of negativity for a while now, almost as if he doesn’t want us to know the bad before it happens so we can do something toward its prevention. Forewarned is forearmed, as they say, so Stephen definitely seems to be attempting to take away the knowledge that would enable us to contact our representatives and senators before bad bills are passed into law.
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So, you can still contact them.
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lmao
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“TBH, Stephen’s been doing this “stop doomposting” schtick in response to posts with the merest hint of negativity for a while now, almost as if he doesn’t want us to know the bad before it happens so we can do something toward its prevention. Forewarned is forearmed, as they say, so Stephen definitely seems to be attempting to take away the knowledge that would enable us to contact our representatives and senators before bad bills are passed into law.” david it’s funny that you don’t know the difference between worrying and doomposting worrying is being concerned about something doomerism is basically being extremely pessimistic to either make everyone else miserable or to spew dooms day shit
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FYI, you just told us all you’re a hypocrite without using the words, “I’m a hypocrite.” LOL.
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That is most certainly not what Stephen’s been doing, my guy.
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When he’s been attacking commenters for “doomposting” when they are nothing of the kind? Well, how else are you going to tell us you lack reading comprehension without actually saying you lack reading comprehension?
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Goddamn. It’s like Koby but somehow even stupider.
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Projected Koby’s AC sockpuppet.
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Actually, that’s just one of Koby’s AC sockpuppet. He has others that are more like the original.
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https://www.techdirt.com/2025/01/22/in-other-scotus-first-amendment-news-it-also-just-heard-oral-argument-over-yet-another-texas-law-censoring-the-internet/#comment-4256159
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I want to point out the SC seem very skeptical of Texas defense.
https://bsky.app/profile/jmiers230.bsky.social/post/3lfs7duvpo22q
i hate this misery cesspool in this comment section
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You can fix that with one simple step:
Leave this site and don’t come back.
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tell that to every doomposter here who keeps coming back becuase this site has no real moderation to deal with the cesspool
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No, I’m telling it to you because you seem to think you’ve been hired as moderation when all you’re doing is spamming bullshit at a higher rate than the alleged “doomposters” post. Mike Masnick—this site’s owner, by the by—has told you more than once to knock your shit off because you come off as an even bigger troll than the “doomposters”.
If you don’t want to deal with the “doomposters”, either block the comments sections on this site with an adblocker or leave. Your spam won’t stop them and it won’t get any less annoying because you think you’re a white knight upon a shining steed who must save us wretched plebians from the forces of evil. You’re worse than the people you decry—and that fact should terrify you.
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Shut up spambot.
You are the cesspool.
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“Shut up spambot.
You are the cesspool.”
awwww resorting to insults like a 5 year old
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Here’s the thing: No one appointed you the arbiter of what’s “doomposting” and what’s not. Others have told you if you don’t like the comments, just scroll on by.
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“doomposting” i want to know what you see doomposting as as a genuine question
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How do I know you’re not a true supporter of free speech? You not only tell “doomposters” to shut up and go away, you’re now doing it to anyone else complaining about negative comments.
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Free speech is not free reach.
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I do hope you never tell anyone off when they are obnoxious in your presence, because if you do you are no true supporter of free speech.
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Unlike Stephen, I tell others off only when they’re actually offensive and not when they’re merely obnoxious (either by “doomposting” or complaining about doomposting), and certainly never when they’re “being obnoxious” by advocating for specific marginalized groups.
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If you aren’t aware, what’s considered offensive is very subjective. Aside from that, if someone repeats the same thing ad nauseum they are being obnoxious and I’m fairly sure that even you will tell them off after a while.
You are also a hypocrite, because if you were “a true supporter of free speech” you wouldn’t have attacked Stephen for his speech which proves that you thought his speech was obnoxious to you.
Well, if you want a positive ruling from the SC these days, it likely requires some oral.
So, that’s it? Porn’s potentially illegal in the next six months? Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s outlawed in a year or so at this point at the rate things are going, it’s really hard to have any hope for anything these days
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They’re doing it this way because actually banning it would be too difficult.
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Very unlikely they will rule it illegal.
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One would assume that pornography is too clearly free expression to be ruled illegal, not to mention the amount of precedent there must be saying that it is.
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I’m not sure it would hold on precedent, but I do thing first amendment-wise + generally speaking per public opinion, an outright ban is not on the table.
Only reason the age-gating stuff is working on legislators is because it does make logical sense at the end of the day. It’s just that the methods of verifying it are error-prone and highly invasive.
And of course, crazy christian puritans and other “THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!” types either don’t care or don’t want to wait for technology to feasibly be ready for the task.
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The entire world seems to be having an anti-porn swing anyway, so it might as well not fucking matter anymore
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“The entire world seems to be having an anti-porn swing anyway, so it might as well not fucking matter anymore” anything else bro
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Project 2025 put one there. Whether it will pass depends on whether Republicans/conservative Christians can convince the Supreme Court to sign off on such a ban.
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I’m well aware of what project 2025 says, it’s why I’ve been on the edge of spiralling every other day.
Still, an outright ban seems unlikely.
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They will, just as they’ll rule in favor of this age verification bullshit. This is why I’m telling people to enjoy porn while it lasts because it’s not going to be there in the next few years, in the end we’ll be cut off from the outside world in a walled off garden from everything else with censorship running rampant everywhere. I keep spiraling thinking about it, it’s just the truth, they’ll get everything they want, there’s no point in having hope anymore.
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Just like they banned the books, they will do the same for porn and there’s NOTHING we can do about it, I might as well just roll over and die at this point because what’s the fucking point anymore, there’s NO future and everyone is ignorant about it
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Please if anyone is reading this, if you have the fucking means leave this country while you can, it’s beyond saving. Everyone else good luck, me I’ll just be dead in six months anyway
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Holy mother of batman cool it with the doomspiral, sir/ma’am.
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If I had to guess, I’d say the “doomposters” above you in this thread aren’t really on the verge of suicide or whatever. They want to make you feel like the situation is hopeless so you’ll give up and let the fascists win. But if the situation were truly hopeless, their propaganda would be unnecessary—and that’s all their “doomposting” really is: fascist propaganda.
I don’t press for blind optimism. The world sucks and it can always get worse. But that doesn’t mean we can’t try, in any way we can think of, to improve the world. Trumpian cruelty will not last forever. The “weakness” of compassion and love will eventually win. And if it doesn’t, at least those who practice such “weakness” can rest well knowing they did what they could to make the world better. That is all we can do; that is all we can be asked to do.