"We achieved within a few years what had taken the European space industry decades before."
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Imagine that - they finally did it!
57 years after the moon landing. Years after Russia, China, Japan, India, Australia - did I miss anyone? Not reusable, a one & done. Yes, they have other projects underway - but how far behind are you? EU/ESA funding fragmented efforts by different national interests. No critical mass in one effort? Not a model for success?
How is the Arianespace model not working? It's been providing Europe and the world with access to space for almost 50 years.Maybe now they’ll get off the old bureaucratic arianespace model and realize that the defense contractor model is not working.
Europe has landed on a moon of Saturn, on a comet, has a spacecraft about to arrive at Mercury, has its own (and more accurate) GPS constellation, runs the Copernicus observation satellites, has spacecraft enroute to Jupiter, and a gravitational wave observatory planned for launch in the coming years.Imagine that - they finally did it!
57 years after the moon landing. Years after Russia, China, Japan, India, Australia - did I miss anyone? Not reusable, a one & done. Yes, they have other projects underway - but how far behind are you? EU/ESA funding fragmented efforts by different national interests. No critical mass in one effort? Not a model for success?
???Next major test for these guys is an actual payload separation.
Allies!?Next major test for these guys is an actual payload separation. Obviously one step at a time, but they still have a few more capabilities to prove out. This day and age I would say it’s a no brainer they will get there. But then again look at Firefly and others who almost cross the finish line and still struggle to actually get there. I’m hoping for the sake of the new space economy that these scrappy upstarts, both in the USA and our allies, make it.
Ooh - good idea - we could develop expendable passanger planes too! Innovation!Me too? That is not always a good stragegy... Why not innovate.
Valves.Does anyone know for what kind of parts that would be the case?
Honest question: Why there? What are the pros and cons?Happy they did it at last! I live 100 km away, Andøya is a rough spot to launch from, very weather exposed. Like launching from the tip of Newfoundland
This is your regularly scheduled reminder that the European Space Agency is not an EU institution. Yes, the EU does have a space policy, and also funds several space programs (Galileo, Copernicus), but these are usually implemented by ESA.LFG EU!More space access for humankind!
And pins. 100s in there.Valves.
It's always valves.
I'm using iOS without these issues on both iPhone and iPads... I use Tahoe v26. whatever, maybe you need to update your OS?Great article & great to see EU companies besides Ariane succeed! But there seems to be a rendering issue with the fonts. I’ve got it configured for large fonts, but it alternates with the middle part of the article shifting to a small font before going back to the large font. See snapshots below from iOS.
Yes, some orbits (polar orbits) are more efficiently reached from high latitude launch sites, and those polar orbits have been historically under-served,Their first launch site was in Europe. That’s reasonable, they live there. Their second launch is reportedly planned for Canada. Only on their third launch site will they move closer to the equator. Shipping to Canada is probably no easier than shipping to Guiana.
Q1: Is there any technical advantage to launching closer to the poles rather than the equator?
Q2: They were reported to target an underserved launch weight category. Do they also serve an underserved orbital trajectory?
When I see someone do things differently. I always want to know why. Every decision is a trade off. What are the considerations here?
AndøyaHonest question: Why there? What are the pros and cons?
My best guessHonest question: Why there? What are the pros and cons?
I don't think it's correct to say that high inclinations have been underserved, if anything was underserved it was small-sat launch - it just so happens that most commercial satellites going into SSO were on the smaller end of the spectrum.Yes, some orbits (polar orbits) are more efficiently reached from high latitude launch sites, and those polar orbits have been historically under-served,
Most likely they shipped it there. (Although not sure which port has cargo capability) On land it would likely have to go through Sweden as Norway's highway 85 is interrupted by ferry. It would be about 3300km.My best guess
Pros:
Geographical location may favor certain satellite orbits.
No population centers in the launch direction, just sea.
Nearby military grade airport and harbour.
Mountains shield most of the direction where people live (Andenes with 2000 people is the only nearby).
Rather cool summers
Norway is a stable country, as well as a Nato member.
Cons:
Other satellite orbits not as favorable
Weather exposed, heavy snow showers in winter
Often strong wind
Mountains may generate turbulence at some wind directions
Salt spray during storms
Freezing temperatures during part of the year
Rather cumbersome to reach by road.
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It's working great for Arianespace who was very happy to be the sole-source provider in town backed by powerful political forces. It's working terribly on cost per launch and innovation for Europeans. They're way behind the rest of the world, and i'm not sure how much more clear to make that than to compare them to SpaceX and China.How is the Arianespace model not working? It's been providing Europe and the world with access to space for almost 50 years.