German company becomes first in Europe to launch fully commercial orbital rocket

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tsunam

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Great article & great to see EU companies besides Ariane succeed! But there seems to be a rendering issue with the fonts. I’ve got it configured for large fonts, but it alternates with the middle part of the article shifting to a small font before going back to the large font. See snapshots below from iOS.

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WilhelmDux

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Imagine that - they finally did it!
57 years after the moon landing. Years after Russia, China, Japan, India, Australia - did I miss anyone? Not reusable, a one & done. Yes, they have other projects underway - but how far behind are you? EU/ESA funding fragmented efforts by different national interests. No critical mass in one effort? Not a model for success?

I think you misunderstand the news here. EU has been launching countless missions into commercial Orbit launches from French Guyana. - and then rocket launch vehicles were actually invented in Continental Europe and launched in plenty.

The news is not that EU is launch capable. The news is that this is the first launch from Continental Europe - where the purpose was Orbit - not killing.
 
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PeterMarcus67

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"Many of the V-2’s engineers, led by Wernher von Braun, emigrated to the United States after World War II to work on rockets for the US military and NASA."

Put a paperclip on that sentence.

But congrats Isar. We're still at a stage (so to speak...) where any competition is good for the industry.
 
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ahsgdbeyb3

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Imagine that - they finally did it!
57 years after the moon landing. Years after Russia, China, Japan, India, Australia - did I miss anyone? Not reusable, a one & done. Yes, they have other projects underway - but how far behind are you? EU/ESA funding fragmented efforts by different national interests. No critical mass in one effort? Not a model for success?
Europe has landed on a moon of Saturn, on a comet, has a spacecraft about to arrive at Mercury, has its own (and more accurate) GPS constellation, runs the Copernicus observation satellites, has spacecraft enroute to Jupiter, and a gravitational wave observatory planned for launch in the coming years.

Maybe inform yourself before making such idiotic comments.
 
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Next major test for these guys is an actual payload separation. Obviously one step at a time, but they still have a few more capabilities to prove out. This day and age I would say it’s a no brainer they will get there. But then again look at Firefly and others who almost cross the finish line and still struggle to actually get there. I’m hoping for the sake of the new space economy that these scrappy upstarts, both in the USA and our allies, make it.
Allies!?
(That should be heard in Dame Edith Evans as Lady Bracknell’s voice.)
 
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LuvEngineering

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Their first launch site was in Europe. That’s reasonable, they live there. Their second launch is reportedly planned for Canada. Only on their third launch site will they move closer to the equator. Shipping to Canada is probably no easier than shipping to Guiana.
Q1: Is there any technical advantage to launching closer to the poles rather than the equator?
Q2: They were reported to target an underserved launch weight category. Do they also serve an underserved orbital trajectory?
When I see someone do things differently. I always want to know why. Every decision is a trade off. What are the considerations here?
 
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EllPeaTea

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LFG EU! 🇪🇺💪 More space access for humankind!
This is your regularly scheduled reminder that the European Space Agency is not an EU institution. Yes, the EU does have a space policy, and also funds several space programs (Galileo, Copernicus), but these are usually implemented by ESA.
 
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Klive Aleksaander

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Great article & great to see EU companies besides Ariane succeed! But there seems to be a rendering issue with the fonts. I’ve got it configured for large fonts, but it alternates with the middle part of the article shifting to a small font before going back to the large font. See snapshots below from iOS.
I'm using iOS without these issues on both iPhone and iPads... I use Tahoe v26. whatever, maybe you need to update your OS?
 
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Their first launch site was in Europe. That’s reasonable, they live there. Their second launch is reportedly planned for Canada. Only on their third launch site will they move closer to the equator. Shipping to Canada is probably no easier than shipping to Guiana.
Q1: Is there any technical advantage to launching closer to the poles rather than the equator?
Q2: They were reported to target an underserved launch weight category. Do they also serve an underserved orbital trajectory?
When I see someone do things differently. I always want to know why. Every decision is a trade off. What are the considerations here?
Yes, some orbits (polar orbits) are more efficiently reached from high latitude launch sites, and those polar orbits have been historically under-served,
 
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jaminb

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Honest question: Why there? What are the pros and cons?
Andøya
Pro: has a clear path for polar orbits.
Con: cannot launch to low-inclination orbits
Pro: is on continental Europe, in a stable friendly county, with road access
Con: is "road access" just in name only? How big of a rocket can you simply truck there from Germany?
Pro: even if you need to load/unload from a ship to get your big rocket there (I have no idea) from Germany, you don't have to cross an ocean.
 
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Honest question: Why there? What are the pros and cons?
My best guess

Pros:
Geographical location may favor certain satellite orbits.
No population centers in the launch direction, just sea.
Nearby military grade airport and harbour.
Mountains shield most of the direction where people live (Andenes with 2000 people is the only nearby).
Rather cool summers
Norway is a stable country, as well as a Nato member.


Cons:
Other satellite orbits not as favorable
Weather exposed, heavy snow showers in winter
Often strong wind
Mountains may generate turbulence at some wind directions
Salt spray during storms
Freezing temperatures during part of the year
Rather cumbersome to reach by road.
Edit: forgot .. sometimes fog for several days in a row during summer

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Yes, some orbits (polar orbits) are more efficiently reached from high latitude launch sites, and those polar orbits have been historically under-served,
I don't think it's correct to say that high inclinations have been underserved, if anything was underserved it was small-sat launch - it just so happens that most commercial satellites going into SSO were on the smaller end of the spectrum.
 
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My best guess

Pros:
Geographical location may favor certain satellite orbits.
No population centers in the launch direction, just sea.
Nearby military grade airport and harbour.
Mountains shield most of the direction where people live (Andenes with 2000 people is the only nearby).
Rather cool summers
Norway is a stable country, as well as a Nato member.


Cons:
Other satellite orbits not as favorable
Weather exposed, heavy snow showers in winter
Often strong wind
Mountains may generate turbulence at some wind directions
Salt spray during storms
Freezing temperatures during part of the year
Rather cumbersome to reach by road.


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Most likely they shipped it there. (Although not sure which port has cargo capability) On land it would likely have to go through Sweden as Norway's highway 85 is interrupted by ferry. It would be about 3300km.
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cyberfunk

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How is the Arianespace model not working? It's been providing Europe and the world with access to space for almost 50 years.
It's working great for Arianespace who was very happy to be the sole-source provider in town backed by powerful political forces. It's working terribly on cost per launch and innovation for Europeans. They're way behind the rest of the world, and i'm not sure how much more clear to make that than to compare them to SpaceX and China.

This is like pointing out that Boeing and the rest of the old-school cabal in the US has been doing this for a long while. Legacy defense/national security/sole-source providers without competition get fat dumb and happy on their monopolies and sometimes political pork, it's a recurring theme that's quite obvious to anyone who looks at such industries with more than a passing glance.

"Nobody got fired for buying IBM" should be a turn of phrase you run away from in modern times, not justify. Customers/the tax payer should almost always be happy when an entrenched and expensive incumbent has their lunch threatened by competition. The only reason to root for those companies keeping their share through continued under-performance is if you're a stockholder/etc.
 
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